Question: If Clint Eastwood's face was a McDonald's character, which one would it be?
Answer: Grimace.
In fact, he built a career on that sour puss, and never has it been so on display as in his latest film, Gran Torino, where he plays hardened, angry bigot Walt Kowalski. Here’s the second half of my interview (scroll down for part
one) with Bill Beard, author of Persistence of
Double Vision: Essays on Clint Eastwood, Co-ordinator of the Film
Studies program at the University of Alberta and a guy who has spent years
trying to forget those films Clint made with the orangutan. He discusses
Eastwood’s career as an actor, director and (grimacing) cinematic icon, comparing Gran Torino to the rest of the filmmaker’s extensive
body of work.
Eastwood has said this may be his last acting gig, that he's happy behind the camera.
Is Eastwood making a statement through Walt? Is there some kind of a final word
on the Eastwood "type" going on here?
Well, I might be tempted to say yes if Eastwood hadn’t come
to this river and crossed it so many times already. Several years ago he was
saying he wanted to give up acting and concentrate on directing – then we got Million
Dollar Baby and Gran Torino. I don’t think there’s anything more
definitively farewell-ish about this than all his other valedictions. True,
committing socially useful suicide does seem like some kind of ultimate, but no
ultimate is really ultimate in Eastwood’s cinema. There’s a point of view – my
point of view, admittedly – that says that Eastwood has been advertising his
own impossibility for his entire movie career, and that activity has just
melted imperceptibly into advancing a whole bunch of extra reasons for why he’s
impossible, which now definitively include “he’s so-o-o-o-o old.” But would I
be surprised to see him back on the screen next year? No.
Also, you mentioned that the film doesn't follow through on
its intriguing ideas. Can you elaborate a little? What does it promise, and
what would it have had to do to see through those concepts to satisfying place?
It would have had to be a lot more overtly hard on its
audience, and a lot less sentimental and indeed lachrymose in its heavy
flirtation with self-pity. Walt Kowalski is a comically grouchy guy, his
poisonous anger about everything in the world never allowed to rise very far
above comedy. That anger seems to be enough to make him socially dysfunctional,
hating his kids, growling at everybody who annoys him, and drooling racial
epithets as uncontrollably as somebody with too much oral freezing. But it’s
not enough for the audience to be anything other than pleasantly scandalised by
him in an Archie Bunker way. So much delightful political incorrectness. But he
isn’t really politically incorrect, he’s really a guy with a heart as big as
all outdoors who ends up committing everything to the cause of politically
correct ethnic diversity (while at the same time being one more time the White
Guy who saves deserving members of the Lesser Races, it’s always both/and with
Eastwood). To present a character who was genuinely hateful, and make HIM into
somebody with real human values, THAT would have been less soft and emotionally
indulgent. Or maybe, to show us this guy taking up of the role of heroic
champion and converting it to a self-willed martyrdom, and then have it NOT
WORK.
What kind of hero is Walt Kowalski at the end of Gran
Torino, anyhow?
At the end of the movie Clint is still as much the hero, and
even the triumphant hero, as he is in any of his movies. The tributes of food
and flowers from Mung matrons on his doorstep are funny, but these women have
got it right, says the movie – and Clint’s fans know they’ve got it right too. Their
parodic exaggeration, like Kowalski’s growls and his septuagenarian Dirty Harry
moments, manage to amusingly cartoonify what Eastwood’s audience loves about
him – his heroism – while still preserving it (again, how typical!) This
oriental value system has managed to preserve the right kind of conservative
hierarchical values, ones that America has lost. These are the voters Republicans ought to be going for, not those
American salesmen of oriental cars! All of this is steeped in irony, but in the
end it’s all straight and true. Gran Torino is yet another Eastwood
ambivalent movie: all is lost, nothing heroic and ideal is possible, but Clint
is somehow still the hero anyway.
So in what Eastwood films do you think are most successful
at examining or deconstructing notions of heroism?
As I was suggesting in our last talk, this is also the
formula of the lesser recent Eastwood: Absolute Power, True Crime,
Blood Work, even Space Cowboys. In all these movies the
interesting schizoid quality is there, but it hasn’t been thought through, not
really taken to its logical conclusion, instead it’s just metamorphosed into a
more conventional story of heroic action. In the greater recent Eastwood,
namely Mystic River, vigilante justice is just horribly wrong, a giant
fucking mistake with hideous consequences. Even in the less tragic Flags of
Our Fathers, the mythically heroic deed is in fact a mountain of lies and
sickening phoniness. Unforgiven is still Eastwood’s masterpiece because
it treats ALL those problems with astonishing power and self-truth: the
extraordinary, powerful hero is an alcoholic mass murderer who hates everything
in the world including himself, the myth of heroic action is literally
completely myopic, the narrativization of these stirring deeds is a pack of
ridiculous lies, violent revenge can only come at a cost that none of us would
truly want to pay if we could see it clearly. It’s true that in Gran Torino,
as in Million Dollar Baby, the presence of death at the end makes heroic
Good Action into something less stupid and purely bullshit than it is in, say, Air
Force One. As I keep saying, these are interesting movies even if they
aren’t necessarily good one. The disappointment in Gran Torino, and
those other “lesser” movies, is that the profound difficulty that sits at the
centre of the story is finally finessed away into something sentimental and
shallowly elegiac. Again, part of this comes from the construction of the
Kowalski character as a loveable grump rather than a disturbing and unlikeable
guy that we would have had to take more seriously in the first place. On the
other hand, maybe Eastwood would still have found a way to make it an
unsatisfactory movie: cf. the genuinely not-very-good True Crime, where
the reporter hero is a human train wreck who betrays everybody – wife, child,
co-workers, friends – and still manages to crack the mystery, overcome the
odds, and save the good victims.
The ending of the film is particularly sentimental, with
Thao driving along the coast in Walt's Gran Torino as Eastwood croaks/croons
the film's theme song. What are we supposed to make of this imagery, where the
Asian boy is driving the Eastwood metaphor? What's the message (other than that
Eastwood should not sing)?
Yeah, Walt has, through his great life and great death, made
it possible for the Asian boy to be a Real American. The message is clearly
multicultural and even progressive – Asian-Americans, and every other kind of
hyphenated-Americans, are just as American as white Protestants (a timely
sentiment to accompany the arrival of Obama, though Eastwood has been preaching
it for years). Thao is driving the Gran Torino, he really is America now, and also America’s hope for the future. But
at the same time, the Americanness of Thao and every other member of a newly
initiated group is enabled, and manufactured, and guaranteed, by Clint, WASP
Number One, who, as it were, died to redeem them. They didn’t really take this
station in life, it was given to them by Clint Eastwood.
The song is so bad that I honestly felt physically sick. It’s
not the first time Eastwood has ended one of his parable-movies with a song of
indescribabe barf-making badness: I think particularly of Bronco Billy.
I can't think of anyone else in the unique position to get these kinds of films
made -- movies starring a near-octogenarian, dark narratives about failure,
themes that uncomfortably undermine popular notions of American heroism, etc.
Is Eastwood simply an anomaly doing his own thing in
Hollywood
, or is he making significant
changes in terms of an established American cinematic mythology?
Yes, I agree with everything you say there about the
uniqueness of Eastwood’s position and the unusualness of the subjects he’s
taking on. There isn’t anyone who does this, or can do it. He’s an anomaly in
large part because there’s nobody else with his kind of larger-than-life heroic
stature as a screen persona. Apart from the fact that they come from later
eras, the fact that a Sean Penn or a George Clooney can become
myth-deconstructers in Hollywood is fundamentally different from Eastwood’s position. Penn and Clooney (and
Dustin Hoffman or Al Pacino or Jack Nicholson, people at least closer to his
time frame) were never heroes of a John-Wayne-type mythical grandeur. Nobody
else was, either, Eastwood is completely unique in this way. And certainly none
of those actors was ever a mythic hero to the right-wing audience the way
Eastwood was. It’s this position – high up in terms of heroic scale, and
operating at least in part on the myth-constructive right as opposed to the
myth-destructive left – that allows Eastwood now to do stuff like this. The
fact that he’s still prepared to play on this level even at an advanced age
just adds to the kind of awesomeness of this powerful, enduring bigness that is
found nowhere else. Incidentally, this doesn’t necessarily mean that Eastwood
is a good actor, just that he is a big one.
For years there was talk of Eastwood starring in the movie adaptation of Frank
Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, playing Batman in his twilight years.
It would be an ideal Eastwood role, as it's about a bitter, angry, aging hero
facing his own physical limits and inner demons. Having a particular interest
in genre film yourself, if there a certain role or even (sub)genre that you've
always wanted to see Eastwood tackle?
Starting with the first couple of sequels to the original Tim Burton film, I’ve
become somebody who couldn’t care less about Batman, and who is just very tired
of people carrying on as if the latest version were or could be something
important. I get the same tiredness in the midst of debates about the new James
Bond movie or the new Star Wars
movie. These movies, no matter how incidentally entertaining they may be, are
all essentially weightless and shallow, and if this or that new example is
marginally less weightless and shallow, that doesn’t make it fundamentally more
suited to be a potential carrier of meaning. I don’t object to the fact that
they are popular and generic, but rather that they do not function with any
substance as allegories about society or individualism or good and evil: they
are all stuck in an aggressively flat landscape arising from their origins in
comic books or kids’ serials of the 1940s or ridiculous spy-fantasy fiction of
the 1950s, and have just become more and more purely self-referential,
diversions of the same order as a fairground ride or video game. Elaborate
action and a bunch of neat stuff are more essential than any other content,
whose only value lies in its reassuring repetition with small changes in the
face of the hero or the villain. The latest profound breakthrough, The Dark
Knight, ran off in so many different directions trying to insist on its
intensity and seriousness while making sure to put in lots of stunts and explosions
that it looked like a sufferer from ADD. Batman’s inner demons are as
cartoonishly empty as his novelty-item antagonists.
So then, are you saying that you wouldn’t want to see The
Scowl in the cowl?
OK, I got that rant off my chest, but having said all this,
Eastwood’s mere presence would give the movie Batman scenario a monumentality and substance it has NEVER had. Eastwood,
too, has always been something of a cartoon character, but he did always have
that size, and that weight. He could be really dangerous and really powerful;
he could be really mythic, in fact he always seemed to have a mythic stature
even when he was trying to escape from it and be more human and down to earth. So
an Eastwood Batman movie is something
I would rush off to with great interest.
-Dave Alexander